Armed with a list of all tribe ids, it is a very easy task to join all the public ones. (The moderated and private ones, like this, are a bit trickier. A co-operative insider is needed.)
So, 14k tribes later I get a message from tribe.net (Wendy Bean) telling me that the sheer number of tribes I've joined is causing problems.
The two horns of the dilemma:
1) Do I now script unsubscribing back down to a more reasonable number?
2) Do I point out that the problems are tribe.net bugs and ask for them to be fixed?
I don't want to be a bad guy here, but it was a fair amount of work to get this far, and undoing it would be another fair amount of work.
Hopefully Brian L or Patti B or some other staffer will notice and respond.
(Posted here to be less public about it.)
So, 14k tribes later I get a message from tribe.net (Wendy Bean) telling me that the sheer number of tribes I've joined is causing problems.
The two horns of the dilemma:
1) Do I now script unsubscribing back down to a more reasonable number?
2) Do I point out that the problems are tribe.net bugs and ask for them to be fixed?
I don't want to be a bad guy here, but it was a fair amount of work to get this far, and undoing it would be another fair amount of work.
Hopefully Brian L or Patti B or some other staffer will notice and respond.
(Posted here to be less public about it.)
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Re: dilemma
Thu, March 17, 2005 - 4:37 PMYou could bat your heartless eyes at Brian and ask that he nicely remove you from all of the tribes. Or ask Wendy to unsubscribe you.
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Re: dilemma
Thu, March 17, 2005 - 4:58 PMI think that as long as you keep your profile on the new version, the problems that people have experienced in looking at your profile go away. Please don't change it back.
I am curious though to know exactly what the point of this execise is. It is certainly interesting to see what it looks like to be in 14K tribes, and even more interesting for us to see if there are any negative effects on the database (which so far doesn't seem to be the case).
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Re: dilemma
Thu, March 17, 2005 - 5:07 PMWell, the inspiration came from seeing a link on the front page of google suggesting I get a gmail account.
gmail + subscribe to all tribes + digests = alternative tribe search
Plus fun from lessor projects like seeing how tribe connections get influenced.
I did get the new profile just to avoid the large page issue. I'm not sure how I got changed back to the old one, but I switched again. The "my tribe.net" page is, ahem, awkward however.
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Re: dilemma
Thu, March 17, 2005 - 6:18 PM14K? Isn't the goal something more like 23.5K?
Public, un-moderated tribes on tribe.net
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Re: dilemma
Thu, March 17, 2005 - 6:27 PMThis isn't as much a problem for the database as it is our application servers, and it's for a reason you mentioned a change in earlier, pagination.
We now include pagination in places where we didn't before. When you log in and go to a page that lists your tribes without pagination, the application has to create objects in memory for each of the tribes that you are in. We have found in several instances that this causes such a load on the application server that our load balancer redirects your request to another application server. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I have had to remove you from your tribes, but do not fear; if it works out so that you can join them all again, I have saved the information so that you won't have to go through the process again. -
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Re: dilemma
Tue, March 22, 2005 - 3:37 PMYes, I can imagine the difficulty. I did run into one other tribe identity that has an awful huge number of tribes, Karina P:
sanfrancisco.tribe.net/person...d7e211d
3042 at the time of my count. Plus a huge interest list and just shy of 800 friends, the html for the profile is about 900k. I bet the "my tribe.net" page does a number on the application servers.
"If it works out"
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Re: dilemma
Tue, March 29, 2005 - 10:39 AMForgive me, it was late in the workday for me, and I was kicking myself for not putting all of the warning signs together earlier in the day when we first started looking at you.
I can't say what the timeline is for engineering to address this, which is why I was conservative in tone. From my perspective, I know what needs to be done both to the mail digester and the pages that display tribe information, but it's an overly simplistic understanding. Since I won't be the one to program it, I can't be the one to make promises.
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